Borna Sammak is a New York-based artist who has spent well over a decade combing through the detritus of American popular culture, both online and off. In Sammak’s work, boardwalk beach decals become raw material for all-over abstractions, deli-inspired signage looms large in white-walled galleries, and screens make appearances. I caught up with Sammak—who has a show of photographs opening tonight at The Journal Gallery in Manhattan—at his studio to talk about the kind of stuff he listens to while he’s working.
I think you told me once that “Pop Goes the Weasel” is the number one song you've listened to since you’ve been at this spot, because it is always playing from the ice cream truck in front of your studio.
Borna Sammak: I probably listen to “Pop Goes the Weasel,” the first few bars of it, one or two thousand times a week. I think one thousand is a fair estimate. My new live/work loft is across from a park that primarily services yuppies, but that’s neither here nor there.
Does the tune get better and worse and then better again? Does the melody start to morph in your head?
It bugs me, but I weirdly like “Pop Goes the Weasel,” the song. Do you know what it's about?
No.
“Pop Goes to the Weasel” is about pawning your nice church jacket for money to drink all week and then buying it back in time for church again.
Wow.
But no one knows what the phrase “Pop Goes the Weasel” actually means. I looked it up. It could have been a dance, it could have been whatever.
Do you have a different listening regimen when you're really crunching to finish a show?
Sometimes I'll hit a phase where I can only listen to one song for a week or two on end. And it's usually something that’s kind of, I don't want to say annoying, they're good songs, but they’re strange songs.
So this is usually when you’re finishing something?
Yeah, this would be in the manic last moments. And then I'll be in a mode where it's just one song on repeat.
Do you have an example of a song?
I can think of three of them. One of them was, oh my god, what is it called? “Another Weekend” by, he went to January 6th, that guy.
Ariel Pink.
Ariel Pink. “Caribbean Blue” by Enya was a big one. One was “John” by Lil Wayne and Rick Ross. And then one was “Amanaemonesia” by Chairlift.
Take me into your mind state in those moments. Okay, you have to finish your show. You have an Enya song on loop. What is that doing for you?
The Enya song at least, that's like a drug, more than the other ones. Enya fucking rocks. It makes you feel good.
So you don't get sick of those songs?
No, I still love all those songs. There was also Adderall involved in those moments.
You have this great drum set over here. Do you ever take a break from working to jam?
If I'm in an intense mode, I put down the drums completely for weeks or months on end. I don't know, I'm afraid of getting stuck over there or something.
You once told me that you had some technical chops growing up. You won some competitions.
Oh, it was at the Vans Warped Tour. I won the fastest double bass contest at the Philadelphia date in 2002. It was in Camden, New Jersey, technically.
Is there any relationship to what you accomplished at the Vans Warped Tour and what you're trying to accomplish as a visual artist?
Yeah, dude, I want to rock. I want to fucking shred.
I walked in here and you were listening to some early 2000s noise rock.
I think in general I listen to more metal or hardcore punk than anything else. But by the numbers, up at the top would be one, “Pop Goes The Weasel,” for sure, and then two, like, weirdly a lot of Lana Del Rey.
I think that's a lot of people.
There was this tweet someone made that was something like, “If she listens to Lana in the morning, boyfriend take warning, if she listens to Lana at night, boyfriend's delight.” But every time I catch myself listening to Lana Del Rey in the morning, I am like, Oh, you are not in a good place.
I see a Weekend Nachos record over there.
Yeah, I just went to their show like a week ago.
Do you get in the pit at those shows?
Yeah. I cannot stand still in a crowd. So my move at a show is I just stand in the middle of the pit. I don't even really mosh. I just kind of dodge everyone, but I don't know. It's kind of a tough guy maneuver. Like, if someone was doing that back in like 2002.
Pit boss.
Pit boss, but it's like, I'm not really the pit boss. I just don't want to be squeezed up with a bunch of people and I like people like running around and moving and I like dodging it. It's fun. It's dynamic. So I like standing in the middle of the pit. It's kind of a weird move, but that's where I'm at in a show.
So you work a lot with these embroidery machines. I'm also seeing a lot of punk patches scattered around. Will you ever make patches yourself? Will you ever start making patches for bands?
I'd love to. It'd be cool to design metal logos. But I don't know what I was going to do with those punk patches. I just collect them at shows and stuff.
Yeah.
I don't have a battle jacket or anything. But, I mean, I have the embroidery machine. I was thinking about making a very gay battle jacket, maybe not on denim, maybe on something like Ralph Lauren. A lot of flowers. You know, make it cute, but also tough.